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Lying. Hypnotizing. Gaslighting. Did Texas’ “serial killer whisperer” and his questionable tactics ensnare an innocent man?
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Episode 01
In a Texas Cold Case, a Potential Murder Witness Slowly Realizes He’s a Suspect
In ‘Just Say You’re Sorry,’ a new Marshall Project podcast, we meet a famed Texas Ranger and a prisoner who says he was railroaded.
Episode 02
To Solve a Young Mother’s Death, a Celebrated Texas Ranger Turns to Hypnosis
In Episode 2 of “Just Say You’re Sorry,” we dig into Ranger James Holland’s past and follow the twists and turns that lead him to Larry Driskill.
Episode 03
Listen as a Texas Ranger Uses Lies to Extract a Questionable Murder Confession
Hear how James Holland gradually convinces Larry Driskill to question his own memory — and narrate a murder he still insists he didn’t commit.
Episode 04
An All-Night, Pizza-Fueled Interrogation. A Dubious Confession. A DNA Surprise.
Hear Texas Ranger James Holland use familiar tactics to convince another man to confess to a murder he vehemently denies. But this time, there’s DNA.
Episode 05
As a Texas Ranger Gains National Fame, His Interrogations Draw Skepticism
James Holland’s star rises after he coaxes killer Samuel Little to confess to 90 murders. But his work in Larry Driskill’s case comes into question.
Episode 06
When a Conviction is Challenged, What Do We Owe the Victim’s Family?
In the final episode of “Just Say You’re Sorry,” we consider what cases like Larry Driskill’s mean for families like Bobbie Sue Hill’s.
Credits
Reporter / Host Maurice Chammah
Senior Producer Tom Fuller
Producer Georgia Mills
Story Editor Peggy Sutton
Executive Producer / Editor Dave Anderson
Development Producer Cheeka Eyers
Executive Producers Maurice Chammah and Akiba Solomon
Production Manager Ike Egbetola
Fact Checker Natsumi Ajisaka
Original Music By Graham Reynolds
Mixer / Sound Designer Charlie Brandon-King
Studio Engineers Josh Gibbs, Gulliver Lawrence Tickell, Jay Beale and Teddy Riley
Additional Recording By Ryan Katz